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	<title>Comments on: Joined the Club</title>
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		<title>By: Micah</title>
		<link>http://micah.cowan.name/2007/04/18/computers/joined-the-club/#comment-9011</link>
		<dc:creator>Micah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 03:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah!  ...like you, I had been a longtime Red Hat user... but there had always been things that I wasn&#039;t quite satisfied with—especially the packaging.

In my early days, I used to shun packaging, and revel in the freedom to configure, compile and install everything by source. At one point, I even did the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Linux From Scratch&lt;/a&gt; thing, bootstrapping my entire GNU/Linux system from source (I recommend that as a great way to force yourself to really get to know how the OS works).

Of course, this meant installing stuff could potentially take a while (Anyone who&#039;s compiled X—and then discovered a problem and had to recompile from scratch—feels my pain), and these days I don&#039;t have the patience/exuberance necessary to choose this over packaged binaries. But the &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; headaches come when you have complex software whose interoperation with other software is just broken. It is then that you begin to comprehend why it&#039;s a good idea to let someone else do the whole package-up-a-Linux-distro thing.

I installed Debian on my work computer when I started my job at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barracuda.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Barracuda Networks&lt;/a&gt;, and then sometime later decided to try Ubuntu, for no particular reason other than that it was getting a good deal of publicity (and was a Debian derivative).

To me, there aren&#039;t a ton of advantages to Ubuntu over Debain (and small wonder, as they tend to let most packages get into Debian first before importing them, themselves, since it adds up to a lot less maintenance work); the main thing is that Ubuntu has a very clear dedication to making the desktop user experience as absolutely painless—enjoyable, even!—as possible, and they&#039;ve clearly made impressive strides in this area. Also, the Ubuntu community is one of the best large &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FLOSS&lt;/a&gt; communities I&#039;ve ever participated in; and something about its style and friendliness began to motivate me to get involved almost as soon as I encountered it. :)

...I love that you and I both ended up &quot;growing up&quot; to become Linux hackers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah!  &#8230;like you, I had been a longtime Red Hat user&#8230; but there had always been things that I wasn&#8217;t quite satisfied with—especially the packaging.</p>
<p>In my early days, I used to shun packaging, and revel in the freedom to configure, compile and install everything by source. At one point, I even did the <a href="http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/" rel="nofollow">Linux From Scratch</a> thing, bootstrapping my entire GNU/Linux system from source (I recommend that as a great way to force yourself to really get to know how the OS works).</p>
<p>Of course, this meant installing stuff could potentially take a while (Anyone who&#8217;s compiled X—and then discovered a problem and had to recompile from scratch—feels my pain), and these days I don&#8217;t have the patience/exuberance necessary to choose this over packaged binaries. But the <em>real</em> headaches come when you have complex software whose interoperation with other software is just broken. It is then that you begin to comprehend why it&#8217;s a good idea to let someone else do the whole package-up-a-Linux-distro thing.</p>
<p>I installed Debian on my work computer when I started my job at <a href="http://www.barracuda.com/" rel="nofollow">Barracuda Networks</a>, and then sometime later decided to try Ubuntu, for no particular reason other than that it was getting a good deal of publicity (and was a Debian derivative).</p>
<p>To me, there aren&#8217;t a ton of advantages to Ubuntu over Debain (and small wonder, as they tend to let most packages get into Debian first before importing them, themselves, since it adds up to a lot less maintenance work); the main thing is that Ubuntu has a very clear dedication to making the desktop user experience as absolutely painless—enjoyable, even!—as possible, and they&#8217;ve clearly made impressive strides in this area. Also, the Ubuntu community is one of the best large <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLOSS" rel="nofollow">FLOSS</a> communities I&#8217;ve ever participated in; and something about its style and friendliness began to motivate me to get involved almost as soon as I encountered it. <img src='http://micah.cowan.name/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8230;I love that you and I both ended up &#8220;growing up&#8221; to become Linux hackers <img src='http://micah.cowan.name/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jamin Gray</title>
		<link>http://micah.cowan.name/2007/04/18/computers/joined-the-club/#comment-9007</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamin Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 02:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats!  I didn&#039;t know that you used Ubuntu.  I&#039;ve been an avid user since the beginning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats!  I didn&#8217;t know that you used Ubuntu.  I&#8217;ve been an avid user since the beginning.</p>
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